Just FYI, 1 Death Strike every ~2.5 GCDs is the sweet spot. Check out all the released articles in the 'Why You Should Play a Spec' series below: "and the Paladin class as a whole, seems to have been abandoned midway through Dragonflight development". Discussion. Getting more and more haste as Dragonflight goes on will kinda mean that you really are getting into trouble with deciding what to do with your time. More than half this 'guide' is just a personal rant about a completely different class. Ye less squishy but also less survivable overall. im playing ret for 7 years and i can say how garbage it is right now.in dungeons and raids you don't have anything special for the group/because of your broken haste and rotation you will be slow not even in movement but cooldown too.its so garbage that i cant even calm myself.choose Justicar's Vengeance talent and have Templar's Verdict at the same time go deal some damage with it .your justicar should deal more damage and crit but your templar deal more even if you read that it says justicar does more.imagine how broken it is.when you use your Avenging Wrath your damage crit and everything goes up yes but they decrease the crit chance on templar's verdictLETS BE HONEST GUYS IM SURE DEVS ARE DONE WITH PALADIN AND THEY HATE IT OR SOME REASON BEHIND IT I DONT KNOW TO BE HONEST. 31: Blood DK is quite easy to play not as easy as the other tanks but easier than a paladin for sure. Reddit, Inc. 2023. Keep an eye out for any numbness or tingling in your hand. I hate being a one trick pony in regards to wings. Here, you will learn how to tank as a Blood Death Knight in both raids and Mythic+ dungeons. Id say if you are planning on doing anything challenging paladin is the hardest tank to play but most rewarding. Right now I have pretty much defaulted to just being stuck as a warrior main, which isn't the worst thing in the world, I love the class design, but I mained pally for 10 years and kind of want to go back, but I just feel as if pvp outside of the one shot playstyle, the ret spec feels super squishy, and just inconsistent. Why on earth would you tell someone NOT to play part of the game? All rights reserved. Other tanks that were performing below Warrior (Druid and DK) were recently buffed. Looking for a class thats good for puggin m+ as a tank. Will probably get nerfed bigtime anytime soon. Copyright Method. Paladin can be a healer. Topic Replies Views Activity; About the Dragonflight category. Insane damage, specially with ashen hollow. Live PTR 10.1.7 PTR 10.1.5. Hand of the Protector is now capped at 100% missing HP. Guy is absolutely clueless. and holy is the weakest healer .for duels everyone can counter your shields and for the next 30 seconds you only have shield of vengeance.for speed and mobility you only have steed and when you use hand of freedom they can remove it like mage players.go arena : everyone attack you to make you force divine shield then when your shield is gone they kill you .your critical is half on enemy players (the chance of it )prot got 40% nerf in healing in for dragon flight. With warrior, I have no attachment to them, but mechanically I really enjoy them, so it's a toss up between form and function and trying to find a good balance. Paladin tank is the most fun I have ever had in M+. Enjoy an ad-free experience, unlock premium features, & support the site! Then there's a side rant about how protection paladin is OP for a while that states it's been the most OP for all of season 1 (when clearly Prot Warrior was far superior pre-nerfs and still saw the most play for the entire season), and nothing really gets accomplished by the end of it.It's also contradictory in that it states it has a low barrier of entry, but then also states that they are heavily punished for making mistakes as well. Blood Death Knight Guide This guide has been updated to reflect the best new talent options for raids and dungeons, alongside altering some recommendations as to the best consumable choices for your Prot Paladin in Dragonflight. I'm just glad that people were commenting otherwise, though. Visually especially. Right now Unholy DK is one of the stronger specs, with Retadin quickly rising. Dragonflight. Changes for Blood DK in Patch 10.1.5. While DK holding a second DPS specc effectively gives u more flexibility. It also spends zero time explaining these mistakes, how to avoid them, or the potential repercussions of them. It has literally no downsides (as shown in the article kekw) and can counter all the new affixes by itself basically. Blood DK's biggest weakness is getting hit for too hard, which won't matter for the content you're doing. Cant decide between my Paladin which I played since bc and my Dk which I like also, both are wheelchair classes and I dont heal, so Tank and Dd compared who looks better in Shadowlands? Biggest reason not to play bdk. Paladin tanks always are competitive for all content. Maybe you could go into some detail about the cheese in aberus? In patch 10.1.5, Blood Death Knights are seeing an 8% buff to ability damage across the board in an attempt to counteract the Onyx Annulet nerf that also came with the patch. We now have the ability to pick talents that previously were exclusive to one another. Really had to reach for some of those downsides. Reddit, Inc. 2023. General Information On this page, we explain how to easily play Blood Death Knight in World of Warcraft Dragonflight 10.1.5, using the simplest rotation, talent tree, stat priority, gear setup, etc., without sacrificing performance. If you want a TRUE raid support thenDK wins by miles. some of other players that never played ret or started the game from shadowlands or bfa said paladin is op/ , they just saw a full geared paladin killed them in bg or something.this is my opinion as a player who played the game for 13 years and even had wow game servers, please test these in your free time. Drunkbuddha-stormrage . I worry for the people that will read this article and take it seriously. Things are moving fast right now with nerfs each week so we dont know. $2. While not the most mobile, Prot Paladin's are better off than DK's, unless something has changed? If AS would still generate holy power the mini-game with dusk..dawn would be much more easy to handle and the uptime of SOTR would also be much more comfortable. I'm considering ret to be mythic + spec, and I like what changes it received so far. Blood DK more autonomous, higher healing output, higher skill floor but lower skill ceiling, GCD-locked. "Has few keybinds"Whoever wrote this has not so much as touched Prot Warr in this pre-patch. I like Exorcism and Consecrate interacting. General Information On this page, we explain how to easily play Protection Paladin in World of Warcraft Dragonflight 10.1.5, using the simplest rotation, talent tree, stat priority, gear setup, etc., without sacrificing performance. Paladin could be good if they fixed every blunders in rets kit, but they didnt so DK is imo way better. Cant decide between the two for m+. Given essentially there is no negative to be bad and that's bad for a game like WoW. With this in mind, the best Primordial Stones for the different tank specs in Dragonflight include: Protection Paladin Primordial Stone Combinations: Raid: Prophetic Twilight, Desirous Blood, and . not a ret player but i remember hand of light in cataclysm was actually fun and made the spec, revert hand of light the way it used to be. wow, a whole post made to whine about prot paladin. I also wouldn't be against changing to demon hunter if they were made to be slightly more complex then they are now but i just get tired of spamming 1 ability a lot of the time. In patch 10.1.5, Blood Death Knights are seeing an 8% buff to ability damage across the board in an attempt to counteract the Onyx Annulet nerf that also came with the patch. All rights reserved. And then tail end of the expansion blood DK. 13 21 21 comments Add a Comment Belazor 8 mo. Protection Paladin Talents Explained 3. Not cool, and not very helpful. Considering that tank DPS is a very important feature in the current game's M+ meta, this should be a significant factor to consider as well. same for Blood DK. I do find it gets a bit boring, because you're pressing the same 5 buttons as soon as they light up. Best Protection Races Regardless, my paladin has been my main since vanilla and I'm sticking with that forever. so on and so on. 8 Depends upon you. "You shouldnt play ret" --> every word so true! Prot can also self heal but you need to spend holy power and you are a bit squishy than a blood with bone shield stacks.Honestly I would just say make a trial character and give it a go. Their damage is among the lowest of the tanks, reliant on damage effects from trinkets, rings etc.. to be competetive. The playstyle compared to the end of Shadowlands is completely different and focuses more on maintaining multiple buffs. Paladin but then I am biased. A Prot Paladin without SotR up has more damage reduction than a DK with Bone Shield stacks and should be less squishy overall. There are a lot more bad prot paladins than bad bDKs. Paladin is very prim & proper, while DK is not. Protection Paladins are powerful defensive tanks that combine good cooldowns, high uptime, and strong mitigation to create a really tan. Which kinda makes me worried for the future? Why got pallys all Blessing Raid buffs & Seals removed? These include: Aegis of Light stamina bonus reduced to 30% from 35% and armor bonus reduced to 10% from 15%. Cant remember them ever being bottom tier. imagine playing as prot paladin after 40% nerf in healing.even without that nerf when they changed the effect of shield of righteous to just giving armor not reduce all damage taken they ruined int it/, something to note that is not mention is that bulwark of order now only provide 50% shield from avengers shield and is capped at 30% max health . Will have to see how it pans out, but I certainly feel like ret is in an okay space, at least for m+. I'm not going to not main Ret Pally anytime soon. All rights reserved. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. If they fix the issue where you dont block when you use first avenger then prot pallies will be the top tanks in the game as far as survivability. Dragonflight is here! There is something wrong with the link at the end of the article. There are a lot more good bDKs than good prot paladins imho. . Well cover what exactly changed later on, but the changes were very good. Just pick the one you have more fun/feel more comfy playing. Their one flaw: Exposed. Slightly leaning towards blood dk, felt like it's easier to keep my health pool steady and the healers in my guild said it's ideal for the regen factor. ago I second the Prot Paladin recommendation, while yes I am somewhat biased I also think that it's generally a strong and solid tank. The rotational bloat Dragonflight brought has really sucked the life out of the spec for me. In the case where you have reached 30% in a secondary stat, an item that has a secondary stat that is lower on priority may in fact be a better upgrade. Signup to get Method updates to your inbox. Yes. Protection Paladin (Prot Paladin) - S Tier Protection Paladins are insane in WoW Dragonflight, everybody is playing them and they are in a really good spot, they carry potential mass AOE silence, magical damage reduction, have a ton of utility, and your off healing is absolutely crazy. Why you should: Everybody says you should.Why you shouldn't: You don't do what everybody says. 0: 492: September 26, 2022 [Protection Paladin] Danny's GSE Macro - Fine-Tuned for Optimal Performance 10.1. Not only do we have mediocre utility, movement and defensives, we gotta press 13 buttons in a short window just to be middle of the pack.In my mind, Holy Power has to go. DIdn't hold back much, but good write up. No way around it, without any negative aspects, it's sure to outclass every other tank by miles in every scenario! I really despise healing prot paladins in general, but the ones that make it to 18/19s are generally good. Don't forget to log your runs! I beg the devs: please just try to build this spec without combo points. Tell me what you think, what you have found in messing around In alpha or What info you have found, I would really appreciate it. Need help choosing a new Class in Season 2? But Paladin tank much more fun to me and higher skill cap and has potential to hard carry groups with powerful off heals and insane damage. Yeah ret is mind numbingly dull. Yeah if prot is actually how their selling it to be, it will be nerfed.n the first or second week. Youre worried that being so strong will ruin other tanks for you. 5% healing received and damage dealt through, A number of resource-generating or Runic Power talents have been added. Slap ret a +5% all stats or whatever number of something and we might be considered to do something. The DK toolkit feels like it was designed for M+, but their damage is mediocre. I will admit. The transition to holy power improved the rotation in some ways, but they should have kept Hand of the Protector as an off-gcd heal on a short CD, rather than the current Word of Glory design. I must be a weirdo cuz I actually like how ret feels rn. If you do this well, it becomes one of the most satisfying tank to play because you're very self-sustaining and don't need much, if at all, external healing and support. What might be considered a very weird issue: The past expansions DK always started out pretty weak compared to other tanks, because they double rely on haste to get going. I have been a bear tank since Cata and a DK tank during Wrath and playing my warrior just felt really really good again and I will probably toss up between my Druid as Resto and my Lock as DPS with my Warrior as Tank. Darkmech 37.1K subscribers Join Subscribe 357 Share Save 19K views 2 months ago Dragonflight Class Tank Guides In this video we are talking about Protection Paladin in Dragonflight. DK has more DPS specs if that is your thing. BDK usually gets better as we go deeper into the expansion. Right now, if a new feature doesn't boost your spenders somehow, it feels wrong. The only thing I don't like about blood is it feels slower to play, like I'm waiting where as the paladin is sometimes almost too much going on. General Information Welcome to our Blood Death Knight guide for World of Warcraft Dragonflight 10.1.5. Community General Discussion Trelyne-area-52 February 15, 2021, 2:09pm #1 Hi everyone! Imagine if ret had talents to make Steed do AOE damage, or CC enemies in its path?I think Dragonflight willl be the first expansion I actually skip. There's not a lot you have to think about except raid mechanics. I just think Blizz needs to take a second look at the talent trees and maybe do another pass on some damaging abilities. as a plus lol. Protection Paladin Mythic+ Guide to Tanking in DragonflightProtection M+ Build: BIEAwtJ2KpR8WbGzhz/jy2AP80SaJkiodgUikUaNJhEBSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQTkkkSSQSUSRkEFKpB. Tanking thoughts blood dk vs prot paladin. This may be the best guide so far because it actually went beyond 2-3 paragraphs for the downsides. I pref paladin. I do love DKs but I cannot for the life of me gel with the gameplay anyway, DK is out performing Paladin in both Tank and DPS specs but do think that you will unlikely be able to play both on the same character due to covenants and soulbinds, perhaps it would be best to main one of each for different purposes. At the very least, your articles should not have that particular wording in it. I prefer Blood for tanking rather than Protection, but the animations fit Paladin better for a more fantasy-ish gameplay, since theyre mostly full melee. PvP Talents (War Mode) 1. That's carpal tunnel syndrome. With that said in terms of pure enjoyment playing my Prot Paladin has been one of my favorite experiences in recent history of playing WoW. 3241 - 3489. This is not even remotely true. I have two alts that are nearly the same item level (170) and same renown (15). BDK was king in SL S3 AND S4. it is a very noticeable nerf in M+ and makes divine toll significantly worse. "and the Paladin class as a whole, seems to have been abandoned midway through Dragonflight development"Exactly. Can you guys take this article and use its framework to re-write the Protection Warrior one? Blood Death Knight Guide Imagine saying that fist of justice is free when its off the side and 2pointer roflmao. You want to deal respectable single-target damage. Of course, it's not just them because everytime I play a healer, I just end up with a boatload of healing spells that just end up being hopes and dreams. Did high lvl raiding / m+ / playing as casual for a while now. I like how they don't even mention the BRez because of how unviable it is on Prot. Removing holy power generation from Avenger's Shield was another step in the wrong direction, and Dragonflight will be the first expansion in years where I won't bother with the paladin at all.It's fun to play on low levels because you can carry a bad group with all your utility and off-heals, but quickly becomes very punishing to play if tiny mistakes are made. Players' foes' strikes . Prot does more damage and has a lot more utility, but Blood is basically 100% self reliant meaning if you don't trust pugs then it's a good go to. : https://mistguild.us/. Hope the tier set strength buff we get from vampiric blood will help. They are extremely lackluster when pitted against just about every other tank on beta and pre-patch . The spec takes more damage, will self-heal for less, and depends on healers more compared to other tanks. Only saying this because we got this and DKs dont. We had some damage passes earlier in this tier but we're still far behind and the talent tree feels like it's pre-Dragonflight with how little variety I get out of it. Drain the blood from your enemies and quench your blackened heart in their crimson scum! Let me give you another question. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, [Holy Shield] talent is worthless with [First Avenger]. Blood DK brings very little to PvP whereas Prot Paladin has decent single target damage and a truck load of off-healing and utility. Updated 4 hours ago , this guide distills the build of the top 50 . Now they are in a good position from the get-go. Demon hunter can be fun at times to play with all its movement but I am not the biggest fan of just how simple the class can be to play, sometimes getting down to 1 to 2 buttons. At the same time, Warrior has received two small nerfs to their AoE damage (which affects their ST damage somewhat).

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